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	<title>Comentarios en: Response to Michael Suede &#8220;Against the gold standard&#8221;</title>
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		<title>Por: manuelgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>manuelgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but today account holders accept interests on demand deposits.

I am going to write another post, centering more on the central argument of yours (gold standard vs. Bitcoins), which I found very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but today account holders accept interests on demand deposits.</p>
<p>I am going to write another post, centering more on the central argument of yours (gold standard vs. Bitcoins), which I found very interesting.</p>
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		<title>Por: michaelsuede</title>
		<link>http://eleconomistaprudente.com/?p=215#comment-57</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interest on deposits in a 100% reserve gold standard come from time-deposit savings accounts.

When money is deposited into a savings account under a 100% reserve standard, it can not be accessed for a specified period of time.

This is because the money is not residing with the bank, since the bank has lent it out.

Under a 100% reserve standard, the bank acts more like a warehouse than a bank.  It charges fees for the storage of money unless the account holders agree to let the bank lend money out on time deposit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interest on deposits in a 100% reserve gold standard come from time-deposit savings accounts.</p>
<p>When money is deposited into a savings account under a 100% reserve standard, it can not be accessed for a specified period of time.</p>
<p>This is because the money is not residing with the bank, since the bank has lent it out.</p>
<p>Under a 100% reserve standard, the bank acts more like a warehouse than a bank.  It charges fees for the storage of money unless the account holders agree to let the bank lend money out on time deposit.</p>
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		<title>Por: Jorge Antonio Soler Sanz</title>
		<link>http://eleconomistaprudente.com/?p=215#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Antonio Soler Sanz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excelente artículo. Está bien escrito y tienes razón en lo que dices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excelente artículo. Está bien escrito y tienes razón en lo que dices.</p>
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		<title>Por: manuelgar</title>
		<link>http://eleconomistaprudente.com/?p=215#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>manuelgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a time that when bankers issued more certificates than gold they had, and the people realized it, they were executed on the main square of the town.    That was when people was reluctant to get indebted.  For the last 100 years people are demanding tones of credit, they want to get indebted very badly (I hope this crisis is the end of that extremely risky attitude). As I see it, fractional reserve banking is the market response to that credit demand.

People find normal that banks pay them interest on their deposits.  How in the world is the bank suposed to profit that money if they are safekeeping it in a vault?  Since the people don´t reject interest on their deposits, I am sorry but they are passively authorising fractional reserve banking.

Regarding clearing, if a financial institution accepts bitcoins as currency and they safekeep the bitcoins in their vaults, -- &quot;big e-wallets&quot; :-) --   then they would have Bitcoins in their assets and account entries for Bitcoins in their liabilities.

Then payments within bank´s clients would be a simple transfer from one account to another with not need to move around the bitcoins and all the network verification process would be avoided.   And also, banks could make just net payments between them, instead of moving back and forth every single transaction between them. 

If the bank is honest, that´s all right.  But what if the bank begins to offer interests on Bitcoin deposits and clients begin to accept it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a time that when bankers issued more certificates than gold they had, and the people realized it, they were executed on the main square of the town.    That was when people was reluctant to get indebted.  For the last 100 years people are demanding tones of credit, they want to get indebted very badly (I hope this crisis is the end of that extremely risky attitude). As I see it, fractional reserve banking is the market response to that credit demand.</p>
<p>People find normal that banks pay them interest on their deposits.  How in the world is the bank suposed to profit that money if they are safekeeping it in a vault?  Since the people don´t reject interest on their deposits, I am sorry but they are passively authorising fractional reserve banking.</p>
<p>Regarding clearing, if a financial institution accepts bitcoins as currency and they safekeep the bitcoins in their vaults, &#8212; &#8220;big e-wallets&#8221; <img src='http://eleconomistaprudente.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8212;   then they would have Bitcoins in their assets and account entries for Bitcoins in their liabilities.</p>
<p>Then payments within bank´s clients would be a simple transfer from one account to another with not need to move around the bitcoins and all the network verification process would be avoided.   And also, banks could make just net payments between them, instead of moving back and forth every single transaction between them. </p>
<p>If the bank is honest, that´s all right.  But what if the bank begins to offer interests on Bitcoin deposits and clients begin to accept it?</p>
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		<title>Por: michaelsuede</title>
		<link>http://eleconomistaprudente.com/?p=215#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelsuede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are the same thing.  While one is legalized and the other is not, it has no relevance as to the fact that both are  immoral actions that victimize people.

Clearing services would not create the same situation as fractional reserve banking.  While the services could engage in direct theft of money from the pool, this is totally different than being able to perpetuate a debt based ponzi scheme.  

Because Bitcoins are used directly in exchanges, and are not represented by receipts or tokens, they can not be used in a fractional reserve ponzi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are the same thing.  While one is legalized and the other is not, it has no relevance as to the fact that both are  immoral actions that victimize people.</p>
<p>Clearing services would not create the same situation as fractional reserve banking.  While the services could engage in direct theft of money from the pool, this is totally different than being able to perpetuate a debt based ponzi scheme.  </p>
<p>Because Bitcoins are used directly in exchanges, and are not represented by receipts or tokens, they can not be used in a fractional reserve ponzi.</p>
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		<title>Por: manuelgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>manuelgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, but fractional reserve banking is a legal practice (unfortunately), while counterfeiting is not.  Is not the same thing.  Is not the same thing to issue currency with no backing at all than issuing currency backed by supposedly risky (debt) assets (mortgages, bonds, etc).  People like fractional reserve banking because it allows them to monetize their liabilities.  In my opinion fractional reserve banking is a response to market demand for credit.

Once you use clearing services, then you could be exactly in te same situation than fractional reserve banking because you stop moving bitcoins all the time and instead you move account entries representing Bitcoins.

Gold receipts under 100% reserve gold standard could not be issued without physical gold backing unless the bank breaks the law, which I agree is much easier than issuing fake Bitcoins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, but fractional reserve banking is a legal practice (unfortunately), while counterfeiting is not.  Is not the same thing.  Is not the same thing to issue currency with no backing at all than issuing currency backed by supposedly risky (debt) assets (mortgages, bonds, etc).  People like fractional reserve banking because it allows them to monetize their liabilities.  In my opinion fractional reserve banking is a response to market demand for credit.</p>
<p>Once you use clearing services, then you could be exactly in te same situation than fractional reserve banking because you stop moving bitcoins all the time and instead you move account entries representing Bitcoins.</p>
<p>Gold receipts under 100% reserve gold standard could not be issued without physical gold backing unless the bank breaks the law, which I agree is much easier than issuing fake Bitcoins.</p>
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		<title>Por: michaelsuede</title>
		<link>http://eleconomistaprudente.com/?p=215#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelsuede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are misinterpreting what I&#039;m saying in the article.

When I say &quot;counterfeiting&quot; - I&#039;m really saying &quot;fractional reserve banking&quot;

I totally agree that clearing services can play an important role in facilitating transactions, and I have no problem with them.  What I&#039;m trying to get at though is that the supply of Bitcoins can not be arbitrarily inflated through banking practices, unlike gold receipts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are misinterpreting what I&#8217;m saying in the article.</p>
<p>When I say &#8220;counterfeiting&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;m really saying &#8220;fractional reserve banking&#8221;</p>
<p>I totally agree that clearing services can play an important role in facilitating transactions, and I have no problem with them.  What I&#8217;m trying to get at though is that the supply of Bitcoins can not be arbitrarily inflated through banking practices, unlike gold receipts.</p>
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